User: Default Corporation - Piemonte, Italy
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This is a fan site for a great Synth! For the Roland JD-800 and of course, the JD-990 sound module. (coming back from Geocities)
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By Merlin, of AmiBay, English Amiga Board and Vintage Computer Forums (among others)
How to deal with the “not-so-mellow yellow” of old computers and consoles
“The problem was finally cracked in late July 2008 with a mixture of hydrogen peroxide, a small amount of an “Oxy” laundry booster as a catalyst and a UV lamp; we believed that this could do the job in hours instead of days. Proof of this concept was demonstrated on EAB by Tonyyeb from Hull, UK, Chiark from Leeds, UK and myself. The original test I did as proof of concept took two hours, as opposed to up to the five days it took for the original tests at CBM and a1k.org. We were on to something!!
JD800 by Marcos Carrera from Taiwan. |
Posted By: shupac800 Sat Aug 4, 2012 8:10 pm
I posted this tutorial to Gearslutz.com last year and thought it might be
helpful to republish it here.
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There are two kinds of JD-800 owners: those who have already experienced the
red glue of death, and those who are going to...
As we all know, the red glue that holds the key weights to the keys did not prove to be stable over a period of decades. When it gets old, and especially if the synth is kept someplace warm, the red glue softens and seeps out, making a God-awful mess.
The best way to fix this problem is to remove all the red glue, under the mildest conditions possible (NOT boiling water, as some have tried), and re-glue the weights into the keys. The keybed comes out better than new. Here's my technique.
Sodium hydroxide (NaOH, lye) solution works great to dissolve the red glue without harming the plastic. It is caustic, so WEAR SAFETY GOGGLES. Even dilute NaOH can permanently damage your eyes, and it's very likely your lye solution will be splashing about. If you get any of the solution on yourself, wash it off promptly with a lot of water.
The sodium hydroxide I like to use is granular NaOH, which I've bought on eBay. If you can get Red Devil lye or some other pelletized NaOH at your hardware store, that will work too, but the granular NaOH dissolves faster.
In a plastic bucket, mix 80 grams NaOH with 2 liters of water until all the NaOH is dissolved. (The bucket will get warm.) For you chemistry types, this recipe makes a 1-molar (1 mole/L) solution of sodium hydroxide.
Immerse the keys in the lye solution. You only need to soak the part with the glue on it, so don't worry if keys aren't completely bathed in the solution.
Leave the keys soaking in the solution for 18-24 hours. After this time, no traces of the red glue should remain, and the weights will simply fall out of the keys into the bucket.
Carefully pour the NaOH solution down the drain. Don't let the weights get poured down the drain too.
Rinse everything with a lot of water. Dry the weights as best you can. It's normal for a bit of rust-colored oxidation to form on them; don't worry about it.
At this point I soak the keys for another 24 hours in a bucket of soapy water. This bath helps eliminate the fishy odor left on the plastic by the reaction of the lye solution with the red glue.
When everything is dry and clean, re-glue the weights into the keys. I have had great results using a popsicle stick to apply a dab of 5-minute epoxy to each key. Make sure the weights are properly centered.
To remove any red goop that has seeped onto your chassis, I have found the best method is to blast the goo with freeze spray (available from Radio Shack or Fry's). Then, while the stuff is frozen hard and brittle, chip it off with a single-edged razor blade.
And that's it. Have fun.
My problems with red glue started few years ago after my moving from middle Europe to Japan - I think also because of high temperatures in the summer.
It's necessary to disassemble the instrument and keyboard, and leave the keys soaked in solution with NaOH (natrium hydroxide). I used a liquid for
cleaning sanitary pipes with 2% of NaOH, it's enough, but it was necessary to leave keys in it for about 2 or three days. I have used transparent plastic
cover from 50 pieces CD or DVD box, lot of keys can be inside in the same time soaked (and after finishing the job and washing box in water it can be
again used). Red glue is dissolved with it perfectly, dissappears, and metal weights still keep glued (mostly, just few fell out).
Then I cleaned the keys with water, and with isopropylalcohol from the rest of dissolved glue film and all dirtiness, and put standard universal common
liquid "white glue" (which changes color to transparent after drying, and is soluble and washable with water - I'm sure it can be purchased everywhere in the
world under different names) to fill and cover all holes around the weight, and weight itself - to avoid any possible future leakage of red glue which is
still under the weight. After drying this glue I had apply more of it on some spots where some air bubble made again holes. In the end I got perfect plastic cover
of metal weight. If I remember well, for black keys it was necessary to use more glue.
There's no problem since the repair.
Image from the DVD 'CLASSICAL WAKEMAN' Vol. 1- Live in Lugano |
Master Rick Wakeman is an English keyboard player, composer, and songwriter
best known as the keyboardist for progressive rock group Yes. Foto: StarCards |
This is a Mod to the JD-800 circuit. Do it at your own risk.
Photo: Gwydion Elderwyn |
A 270 kOhm resistor across R27 will make it possible to use full range of aftertouch without straining your fingers.
R27 position. Photo: Gwydion Elderwyn |
I poked around with a multimeter on the aftertouch circuit today. The pressure
ribbon starts out at 150 kOhm and by full pressure it is around 1 kOhm...
Shunting the ribbon will make it possible to move the threshold to make it start
earlier but will not make it more sensitive.
Preben
This is a modification you can do inside the JD if you are comfortable with a soldering iron that makes the aftertouch much more responsive.
This mod might require to unsolder a SMD resistor ... not something for people with ten thumbs.
For sure you can ask an electronics technician to perform this modification.
Removing all screws may do your internal components fall.
You must remove only the screws AROUND the bottom and two screws in the center line, they are at 1/4 from side, and may be you can see a few bigger hole where thy fit to.
Sometimes the bottom have some "dust" acting like glue to.
Photo: Gwydion Elderwyn |
How to remove the panel. JD-800 Manual. (click to enlarge) Source: Roland Co. |
Image by: Preben Friis |
What I'd like to do instead on this mod is replace the resistor by a lower value, cut the trace next to it and connect a 500Kohm trimmer pot with modding wire (26-28Awg) and have it adjustable.I imagine not every aftertouch ribbon has exactly the same value, so this would make it tweekable. Nice thing is if the value of the ribbon changes in time, all you have to do it open it up and adjust it a little. The fixed resistor is there as safeguard so the value doesnt go below a safe value and draws too much current.
Also, I would not connect a pot in parallel with the current value. The response of the pot would not be linear at all, and hard to adjust.
Foto: Yuri Alfons Peeters Charlotte |
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